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Post by FIUFanatic on Nov 15, 2007 12:40:42 GMT -5
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fiu12
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Post by fiu12 on Nov 23, 2007 0:27:17 GMT -5
nobody wants pete garcia
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Post by kevinkagy on Nov 23, 2007 0:32:56 GMT -5
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Post by FIUPantherFan on Nov 23, 2007 8:56:46 GMT -5
I want him and so do most fans on this board, when we had that poll there was overwhelming support for him. Loser attitude OUT! Accountability IN! Do what you got to do Pete, keep taking out the trash.
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Post by gpantera on Nov 23, 2007 11:48:40 GMT -5
before pete, FIU athletics was a place for partially retired administrators to graze.
now, all coaches are coaching with a purpose, to keep their jobs.
fear is not my preferred method, but the good guy routine we had around here before produced very lackluster results.
pete brought in MC and Turtle. Both are winners and winning will come. I like the new direction.
remember, if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. all we've been getting around here for decades has been somewhere between mediocre and very bad. let's welcome this new chapter of FIU athletics...gpantera
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fiu12
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Post by fiu12 on Nov 25, 2007 17:38:12 GMT -5
yea because you people who love pete voted like 20 times each lol. How is MC such a winner? The year he coached the UM offensive line was one of their worst OL years ever. Garcia brings him in because 1-He's hispanic and 2- he wanted someone he could control. He might have this no nonsense exterior but he brought in all of his friends to coach, none of which had even been a coordinator before (except clark who isnt even a coordiantor now) look at the TE coach, how tall is he, about 5'6? When do you think the last time he played TE was? Tamiani 95 pounders? . Clark can coach his butt off but mosta the rest of these guys they got are garbage. Ponce will be good too and the dude from lsu and the dolphins, i 4got his name will be OK i think. Trust me, after the police escorting Pete off the UM campus for having his secretary make photocopies of the donor lists, UM is not going to want him back. He can talk the talk but as an AD he cant walk the walk
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Post by gpantera on Nov 25, 2007 19:48:12 GMT -5
fiu12,
first, the Hispanic hiring comment is inappropriate and not fact based. Everytime a black hires a black, a Hispanic hires a Hispanic or any minority hires another, it's immediately labeled racisim. Yet the other 90% + of hires are whites hiring whites and not a single critical word is written. Let's get past the race card and focus on football.
As for the AD, you have a whopping 10 months of data, less than 1 year, to evaluate PG and Co. If you konw anything about scientific analysis you know that the sample size of time is way too small to arrive at any solid conclusions. Give this time. When he does win, you'll be the first to beat your chest with FIU Panther Pride. Don't worry, we won't remind you how you've hated on him since the moment he was hired. You're clearly a D. Strock guy.
I was at the game last night. FAU was simply bigger and stronger than our boys. There's not an AD or HC in the country that can turn a 6 foot, 190 FIU player into a 6 foot 4", 240 lb player over night. Until we get bigger horses up front on both lines and add a few tall and speedy receivers to the mix, we'll simply be outmatched by bigger opponents. I think you'll agree you can't teach size but you can recruit it. Again, let's get 2-3 seasons under our belts with this new leadership before we begin to mudd sling and pile on the negativity.
Keep hope alive...gpantera
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fiu12
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Post by fiu12 on Nov 25, 2007 21:22:50 GMT -5
GP,
Trust me, Im not a Don Strock guy, He had to go. In my opinion, it comes down to do want someone you can boss around or do you want a coach? Bob Stoops called and recommended somebody along with some other big name coaches who called and said some of their coordinators were interested in the position. He wanted a UM guy he could boss around. I text message and talk with quite a few football, basketball players, and people in the athletic dept on a weekly basis so im not just pulling this stuff out of my butt..
I'm a big believer in treating people with respect and Pete hasn't done that since he's been here. Some of the people probrably didnt serve to be treated with respect (Bart Mondell comes to mind) but most of them did. I can't root for someone like that. I just want Coach Rouco to get it done because Garcia has stacked the chips against him, and taken away his scholarships prematurely. The soccer program is getting chopped and its been one of the most successful programs at FIU.
Dont get me wrong i have love for FIU, but I will have much more love for it when Pete is history.
Thats my 2 cents and hey, this is what message boards are for! Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving, its back to work tomorrow!
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jar86
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Post by jar86 on Nov 25, 2007 21:26:25 GMT -5
fiu12,
You are so fully of nuts!
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Post by FIUFanatic on Nov 25, 2007 22:23:48 GMT -5
12....you showed your weakness by playing the race card...you lose credibiltiy when you say such things....
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Post by fiurulez on Nov 26, 2007 12:55:50 GMT -5
You guys really have to stop being offended anytime someone mentions a race or ethnicity. It is not like he/she said all Hispanics are lazy or smelly. He/she stated something that no one on this board can either prove nor disprove. In MY OPINION Being Hispanic did help Cristobal, however, his ability to recruit and past experience with Garcia more than likely were the reasons for his hiring. As for controlling, anyone Garcia would have hired fit that bill. Garcia's the boss, his word is final. If the requirement was only being Hispanic and being obedient, I would have applied!
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Post by FIUFanatic on Nov 26, 2007 14:43:56 GMT -5
That's exactly my point...If a black AD hires a black coach, it is only because that is one of the requierements...or a white anglo AD only hires white anglo coaches.... you see my point...it is utterly ridiculous to suggest that. Does it have positives....and/or negatives that he is "Hispanic"?..yes...and so does being black, or white anglo....however, I wouldn't even include that as a reason for hiring someone, only as an afterthought perhaps, let alone as the #1 reason, as the poster implies... Otherwise, I would be totally disappointed in whoever makes such an important decision for the University...and for the AD himself....
Then, how is Turtle Thomas hispanic?....or Munga Eketebi?....or the women's softball coach Beth McClendon?....or women's soccer coach Thomas Chestnutt?...all are PG's hires and none of them fill the "requirement" some here seem (erroneously) to think hiring means for the AD....
fiurulez...it is not a matter of being offended...as I'm not in this case...it is a matter of seeing how someone makes their posts here based on what I stongly believe are wrong assumptions, which in my humble opinion, (as I still have the right to have an opinion, I believe) that is just a ridiculous statement....
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Post by FIUFan on Nov 26, 2007 15:25:20 GMT -5
You guys really have to stop being offended anytime someone mentions a race or ethnicity. It is not like he/she said all Hispanics are lazy or smelly. He/she stated something that no one on this board can either prove nor disprove. In MY OPINION Being Hispanic did help Cristobal, however, his ability to recruit and past experience with Garcia more than likely were the reasons for his hiring. As for controlling, anyone Garcia would have hired fit that bill. Garcia's the boss, his word is final. If the requirement was only being Hispanic and being obedient, I would have applied! Once again 'rulz, you have your history wrong. If you recall MC was our second choice from UCG. Our first choice forced UCG to hire Randy Shannon. When we hired PG, the UCG was scared to death that we'd get RS as well, so UCG hired him as their head coach to block us. If we weren't in the picture/interested in RS, he probably wouldn't be UCG's head coach right now. Once RS was hired, we went after MC as our next best choice, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity, end of story.
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Post by fiurulez on Nov 26, 2007 16:22:50 GMT -5
You guys really have to stop being offended anytime someone mentions a race or ethnicity. It is not like he/she said all Hispanics are lazy or smelly. He/she stated something that no one on this board can either prove nor disprove. In MY OPINION Being Hispanic did help Cristobal, however, his ability to recruit and past experience with Garcia more than likely were the reasons for his hiring. As for controlling, anyone Garcia would have hired fit that bill. Garcia's the boss, his word is final. If the requirement was only being Hispanic and being obedient, I would have applied! Once again 'rulz, you have your history wrong. If you recall MC was our second choice from UCG. Our first choice forced UCG to hire Randy Shannon. When we hired PG, the UCG was scared to death that we'd get RS as well, so UCG hired him as their head coach to block us. If we weren't in the picture/interested in RS, he probably wouldn't be UCG's head coach right now. Once RS was hired, we went after MC as our next best choice, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity, end of story. First, I didn't bring up history of any kind. I basically said that no one, including yourself can prove nor disprove whether Cristobal being Hispanic played a role in his being hired. I went on to say that MY OPINION (Fanatic, I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, I just meant to lay off people when they give their two cents) was it did help a bit but it was just an added bonus for Pete. So when you go out of your way to point me out, make sure you read my post and have a reason to point me out. I don't know where I have my history wrong. Cristobal was hired by Pete Garcia, Cristobal is Hispanic and FIU is in Miami. Also, since you like history, RS said multiple times that he would not come to FIU because of his son. He may have been your first choice, but he was never a legitimate candidate. Also, UM wasn't that scared because he wasn't even their top choice. Is there some reason the two of you always get all riled up when I post? I actually hold the two of you in high regards but obviously the feeling is not mutual. Let me know if you want me to stop posting because this lets go after anyone with a different opinion really blows.
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Post by FIUFanatic on Nov 26, 2007 17:31:18 GMT -5
rulez...first off, everyone here is entitled to their opinions, as wrong or as good, or even as prejudiced as it may or may not be. Believe me when I say that I don't have anything personal against you, nor I get all riled up in particular when you post. Nothing to it. Believe me. I was first responding to a post made, not by you, about something I feel strongly about. You came in and commented on my posting as being offended. Of course, I have the right to set my record straight as well. Don't you think?
Now, my point is clear. I cannot think PG makes MC our football coach because he is "hispanic", any more than I don't think Mello makes his choice of Strock because he is anglo white american....It's simply either dumb, stupid, or way too prejudiced for someone in the position of AD to make that choice having it as the #1 reason, as fiu12 exposed in his post. For PG, or Mello for that matter, to back this as the #1 reason would greatly disappoint me and, with all honesty, reduce my appreciation and credibility of that person, with so much at stake, I strongly believe that.
Rulez, as I stated, the fact MC is hispanic may or may not have been a plus (or perhaps a negative for some), but it should not be, by any means, construed to be the #1 reason for his hiring. To suggest that, it appears to me you agree with me, would be, at the minimun a gross exxageration, as I don't see how you can bring in the race card to make such a claim, precisely when, as you stated, no one can validate it one way or the other. So, we actually agree more than disagree.
Please, post your thoughts as they come. Even if I disagree with you, I would most likely engage with you in a discussion, that's all. The same for FIU12, as I feel he also brings some good information as well. I just strongly disagree with his perception for the reasons I stated.
Peace.
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