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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 14:32:11 GMT -5
So by implication LSU and UM should be big rivals? FSU and UF weren't rivals until they fought a few years ago? The fight was an unfortunate incident neither school is or their fans should be proud of, but it happened. If a fight is the basis for a rivalry then the games against each other should be canceled because nothing good will come out of it. Edit: I don't see how UM has given the city a bad name, I mean out of the most prominent legal minds UM ranks #23 as the school most attended, they have a stellar medical reputation and the school isn't frowned upon. Football wise can be the only way UM has given the city a bad name and even then we've had half of the violations and problems UF and FSU have had so that's grasping at straws. FIU isn't going to knock off UM, hell they don't even battle after the same recruits, it's apples and oranges, UM and FSU are on equal footing as far as prestige. Well, I'm wrong, UM is above them in prestige when it comes to football and we have nothing but respect for each other. You can gun for UM all you want but FIU doesn't play in the same conference, doesn't play the same competition, and hell if you call UM UCG you can't say FIU represents Miami considering they are unincorporated Miami-Dade. FIU is also losing 9 scholarships (which I expect to be spread out 3 per year over a span of three years if it's a total of 9, but I haven't read anything aside from headlines on this) By the way, Coker is gone so you'll see the team come back up, a team that was poorly under coached offensively last year and still had 3 first round draft picks. IF UM represented such a bad name they wouldn't have so many players drafted. UM is moving to Joe Robbie by choice, they aren't being evicted by the city remember that. It's actually a step up for UM and they are set to make a considerable larger amount of money. Isn't USF and UCF gunning for us? Bad name referring to the football program. We can argue academics program by program but that's a different thread. By the way, which law school ranked tops in the state on the last Bar exam, take a guess ( fiuathleticscom.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=fiu&action=display&thread=1176781817 ). Either way, your response epitomizes the scUM fan mentality, you have no foresight, no sense of an imminent reality, always talking in past-tense (i.e. you don't recruit who we recruit or play in the same conference), I'm talking in terms of what's to come and how some of us, and some of you, anticipate this. And by the way UCG'er, here's our address, notice those weird combination of letters that spell Miami? University Park Campus 11200 S.W. 8th Street Miami, Florida 33199 fiu.edu/docs/contact_information.htm And maybe you haven't noticed what city our seal says... Get a grip.
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Post by itsthatguyy on May 2, 2007 14:44:16 GMT -5
The part Miami, Florida doesn't make you part of the city of Miami there chief. Hence me living in between South Miami and Pincecrest and address saying "Miami,FL" even though it's unincorporated as well. Good thing your well versed in city knowledge.
FIU law has done a good job, they have a stud dean in Strickman, who if I remember correctly went to Yale, but the bar passage rates apply to how many students who took the bar exam? How does that apply to anything that I mentioned before since I wasn't discussing bar passage rates? It's still not top tier, that's really what matters, well that and reputation which UM pretty much has on lock, but is set to lose if they keep sitting on their hands like they have the past 15 years. On the good news my law school (FSU) has moved up a few more notches so I'm pretty happy with the choice I made when deciding on staying in state.
As far as imminent reality, there's a little saying about counting your chickens before they hatch and thinking a rookie head coach who hasn't even strategized gameplans, much less coached multiple years on the area that is his forte is going to turn around a program that is suffering scholarship loss in one fell swoop is ignorance. It'll take 4-5 heck maybe even 6 years for him to produce consistent, impressive winning records and there should be some growing pains when having such a young, first time coach, so imminent reality isn't really applicable.
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Post by Xpedition on May 2, 2007 15:21:41 GMT -5
In all honesty, if MC can keep the D anywhere as productive as it was last year (and yes, i know we lost a lot on that side of the ball) and generate ANY kind of offense, there's no reason we don't at least hit .500 next season. We all know how close we were in almost every game last year. That being said, yeah it's going to take time to be where we aspire but i don't think it'll take as long as it took Rutgers.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 15:50:10 GMT -5
The part Miami, Florida doesn't make you part of the city of Miami there chief. Hence me living in between South Miami and Pincecrest and address saying "Miami,FL" even though it's unincorporated as well. Good thing your well versed in city knowledge. My point being that we are Miami. Like it or not, we are the University for Miami, the University for South Florida. Our mailing address is what it is. the bar passage rates apply to how many students who took the bar exam? How does that apply to anything that I mentioned before since I wasn't discussing bar passage rates? It's still not top tier, that's really what matters. Maybe I missed something but the passage rate applies to how many passed as a percentage of all who took the exam. And, just to reiterate, we were tops in the state. And as far as tiers go, there's a lot more that goes into those rankings than just the quality of the education, which FIU has on lock, and that is what really matters. As far as imminent reality, there's a little saying about counting your chickens before they hatch and thinking a rookie head coach who hasn't even strategized gameplans, much less coached multiple years on the area that is his forte is going to turn around a program that is suffering scholarship loss in one fell swoop is ignorance. This may be the only valid point of your existence on this board. The inexperience of our coaching staff is well documented, yet they bring to the table what our team last year was missing, discipline. Discipline would have at least one 1/2 those games last year. Discipline is what we showed for 1/2 a game against scUM and for nearly 4 quarters against Maryland. Based on what I've seen and heard of our coaches, I will lean towards giving them the nod. All else is falling in place.
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Post by FIUFanatic on May 2, 2007 15:50:26 GMT -5
I think MC and PG are thinking along the lines of continued improvement of the program, with a 4-5 year plan already in place. We will just have to wait and see.....
UM'ers care more about FIU...and there are countless of posts about this, than they want to let know. They "hate" FIU just as much, if not more, than from here to there.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 16:06:05 GMT -5
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Post by itsthatguyy on May 2, 2007 16:25:52 GMT -5
Here you go buddy, and btw, FIU is a state run institution, saying it's a university for miami is an inherent contradiction. And you're right, I was wrong UM isn't 23, they are 18. I think your fact pattern is in order considering I didn't say national rankings, I said amongst prominent legal minds but it was an open-ended statement so I'll let it slide.
Oh and there is no "second tier" there's Top 100 and then tier 3 and 4, second tier is nothing but a truism.
Where did the nation's leading lawyers and judges go to law school?
Here is the Lawdragon 25 Leading Law Schools, based on where members of the Lawdragon 500s graduated law school. This represents a survey of 99 percent of the professionals who made our guides. Lawdragon is still seeking information from the remaining 1 percent, which could alter the results slightly.
School Location Grads
1. Harvard Law School Cambridge, Mass. 249
2. Yale Law School New Haven, Conn. 98
3. Columbia Law School New York 94
4.New York University School of Law New York 83
5. University of Texas School of Law Austin, Texas 70
6. Georgetown University Law Center Washington 67
6.UC Berkeley Boalt Hall School of Law Berkeley, Calif. 67
8.University of Chicago Law School Chicago 63
9.University of Michigan Law School Ann Arbor, Mich. 57
9. University of Virginia School of Law Charlottesville, Va. 57
11. UCLA School of Law Los Angeles 56
12.University of Pennsylvania Law School Philadelphia 50
13. Stanford Law School Palo Alto, Calif. 45
14.University of Southern California Gould School of LawL.A. 38
15. Northwestern University School of Law Chicago 35
16.George Washington University Law School Washington 32
17. Loyola Law School Los Angeles Los Angeles 30 18. University of Miami School of Law Miami 29 19. Duke University School of Law Durham, N.C. 28 19.UC Hastings College of the Law San Francisco 28 21.Boston University School of Law Boston 26 22.Fordham Law School New York 25 23. Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law Dallas 22 23. University of Florida Levin College of Law Gainesville, Fla. 22 25.Vanderbilt University Law School Nashville, Tenn. 21
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 16:48:44 GMT -5
Here you go buddy, and btw, FIU is a state run institution, saying it's a university for miami is an inherent contradiction. And you're right, I was wrong UM isn't 23, they are 18. I think your fact pattern is in order considering I didn't say national rankings, I said amongst prominent legal minds but it was an open-ended statement so I'll let it slide. Oh and there is no "second tier" there's Top 100 and then tier 3 and 4, second tier is nothing but a truism. Where did the nation's leading lawyers and judges go to law school? Here is the Lawdragon 25 Leading Law Schools, based on where members of the Lawdragon 500s graduated law school. This represents a survey of 99 percent of the professionals who made our guides. Lawdragon is still seeking information from the remaining 1 percent, which could alter the results slightly. School Location Grads 1. Harvard Law School Cambridge, Mass. 249 2. Yale Law School New Haven, Conn. 98 3. Columbia Law School New York 94 4.New York University School of Law New York 83 5. University of Texas School of Law Austin, Texas 70 6. Georgetown University Law Center Washington 67 6.UC Berkeley Boalt Hall School of Law Berkeley, Calif. 67 8.University of Chicago Law School Chicago 63 9.University of Michigan Law School Ann Arbor, Mich. 57 9. University of Virginia School of Law Charlottesville, Va. 57 11. UCLA School of Law Los Angeles 56 12.University of Pennsylvania Law School Philadelphia 50 13. Stanford Law School Palo Alto, Calif. 45 14.University of Southern California Gould School of LawL.A. 38 15. Northwestern University School of Law Chicago 35 16.George Washington University Law School Washington 32 17. Loyola Law School Los Angeles Los Angeles 30 18. University of Miami School of Law Miami 29 19. Duke University School of Law Durham, N.C. 28 19.UC Hastings College of the Law San Francisco 28 21.Boston University School of Law Boston 26 22.Fordham Law School New York 25 23. Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law Dallas 22 23. University of Florida Levin College of Law Gainesville, Fla. 22 25.Vanderbilt University Law School Nashville, Tenn. 21 I'd put a little more weight on rankings and passing rates then where 29 lawyers went to school (the # at the end is the number of lawyers included in this "club"). Needless to say this ranking isn't even comparable given the age of our law school. This topic bores me if this is the best you got.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 16:51:50 GMT -5
Oh and there is no "second tier" there's Top 100 and then tier 3 and 4, second tier is nothing but a truism. Call it whatever tickles your pickle but if your 70th out of 100 and next Tier is Tier 3, then "buddy", you're Tier 2.
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Post by itsthatguyy on May 2, 2007 16:59:59 GMT -5
The topic bores you yet you debate it and then you retire to your position on rankings when you can't possibly identify the proper rankings you're resting your case on. Do you even know what the rankings in US news are based on? Either way it's a pissing competition at this point and the debate is pretty much moot since you've been bested on each point.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 17:01:27 GMT -5
the debate is pretty much moot since you've been bested on each point. LOL sure "buddy", whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Post by itsthatguyy on May 2, 2007 17:03:27 GMT -5
the debate is pretty much moot since you've been bested on each point. LOL sure "buddy", whatever helps you sleep at night. Yet another strong argument. Wow, good thing you're not in a top tier law school or you'd be setting the bottom of the curve.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 17:05:30 GMT -5
The topic bores you yet you debate it and then you retire to your position on rankings when you can't possibly identify the proper rankings you're resting your case on. Revisit my post at 4:06pm for my position on rankings. I reiterate to my dog, and to the best of my knowledge, you're not trained to fetch the paper yet.
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Post by FIUFootballer on May 2, 2007 17:12:37 GMT -5
LOL sure "buddy", whatever helps you sleep at night. Yet another strong argument. Wow, good thing you're not in a top tier law school or you'd be setting the bottom of the curve. Why do I waste my time with scUMheads anyway....you're law school argument was based on a survey conducted of "top lawyers" to determine where they went to school, so you're telling me that 29 scUMMy lawyers are setting the bar for the thousands who have graduated scUM law? Give me a break. As flawed as the US News rankings may be, at least they paint a more accurate picture then where 29 lawyers went to school. Yet even in the US News rankings you are not impressing anyone. You would think a 1 yr accredited law school wouldn't be comparable to scUM, too bad, we are, deal with it.
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Post by itsthatguyy on May 2, 2007 17:21:10 GMT -5
Yet another strong argument. Wow, good thing you're not in a top tier law school or you'd be setting the bottom of the curve. Why do I waste my time with scUMheads anyway....you're law school argument was based on a survey conducted of "top lawyers" to determine where they went to school, so you're telling me that 29 scUMMy lawyers are setting the bar for the thousands who have graduated scUM law? Give me a break. As flawed as the US News rankings may be, at least they paint a more accurate picture then where 29 lawyers went to school. Yet even in the US News rankings you are not impressing anyone. You would think a 1 yr accredited law school wouldn't be comparable to scUM, too bad, we are, deal with it. I'm sorry are you in the legal field AT ALL? Do you know anyone in it, because if you do you'll understand that 1) rankings don't mean much, 2) as my girlfriend's dean said at Yale "if your interest was passing the bar, the University of Connecticut Law School had a much higher pass rate than Yale." and 3) LawDragon is highly respected, right under LawReview and wayyyyy over the USNEWS rankings. Remember, when you graduate, your degree doesn't say your school's rankings, it says the name so there's a lot of reputation and name recognition built up behind it. FIU isn't comparable to UM in the legal field in any way, shape, or form minus 1 bar passage rate which is flawed to begin with if you look at the number of UM students who took the bar and the number of FIU students who took the bar, much less it doesn't account for the bar passage rates for students at UM who take the bar at their HOME state, unlike FIU which about 99% take it in Florida. Regardless this is the football board, you are more than welcome to continue to debate this "boring topic" over private messages with me if you'd like
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